Сельское хозяйство XIV-XVIII
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bash_m_akИз статьи Robert C. Allen "Economic structure and agricultural productivity in Europe, 1300-1800" вытащил цифирки для вот таких картиночек.
Кривых, конечно, черезмерное количество, но пусть будут. В случае чего хоть вспомню ссылку - где читал.
Кривых, конечно, черезмерное количество, но пусть будут. В случае чего хоть вспомню ссылку - где читал.
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Date: 2011-12-10 09:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-11 12:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-11 02:46 pm (UTC)Especialy about his "Russia would have become India if not for the great Stalin" thesis?
His reasons: 1.Russias weak education system which made it impossible for Russia to develop properly
2.railrads were all allready built and Russia just didnt need more then it allready had 1913.....
3.Real Wages of workers didnt grow
4.Since Russia was dependant on grain export, falling grain prices after the great depression would have killed her growth (and since Russia kept its population illiterate there was no way that it could have done anything else but export raw materials....
In my opinion the points 1 to 3 are wrong, Russias education system was the fastest growing in Europe, Russia needed way more railroads then it had in 1913 and real wages of workers did grow before the war. As about point 4, I think around 1929 Russia would have been far less dependant on grain export then it was even 1913.
Well I think we ought to be greatfull to Allen though that he counterchecked Gregorys data and had to admit them to be true, no leftist admireresrs of the USSR cant say that Gregory manipulated data (Nefedof trys to do this even now, but he has far less standing and only hurts himself by going agáinst the consensus).
Whats your opinion about Allens theory?
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Date: 2011-12-11 05:44 pm (UTC)По-поводу Алена и РИ/СССР я полностью разделяю ваше мнение.
Я просто надеюсь, что про времена далекие он более добротно написал.
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Date: 2011-12-11 06:17 pm (UTC)A colony with less then 15% literacy 1930 (and a colony)....... Thats just to much absurdety.
Still I would set Allen a stage above the likes of Nefedov and Ostrovski.
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Date: 2012-01-04 07:21 pm (UTC)http://foto-history.livejournal.com/1693947.html?thread=15880699#t15880699
вдруг интересно-поспорит там))
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Date: 2012-01-09 10:53 am (UTC)Re: оффтоп
Date: 2012-01-09 12:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-05 11:46 am (UTC)Seems that the difference in age between Ukraine and Western Europe remained the same 1912 and 1980, 7 years and even declined to 8 in 1990....